LeadershipJournal.net - Nomo Pomo—a Postmodern Rant
Hey - thanks for all the comments on Kevin Miller's Nomo Pomo—a Postmodern Rant that I mentioned yesterday. Here are some snippets:
"Hey TSK!
I thought Miller was way more gracious and constructive in his criticisms than Josh Dulaney was in his recent rant. Dulaney, however, receives more embrace because he is "one of us" and Miller upsets and irritates because he is "one of them". It's just more Christian bickering because, lacking anything better, that's what Christians do. "
The Lyle Family, North America
"Why do we get dragged into this kind of article/argument and even get dragged into the response to it, which is just as self serving. Why can't we just read it and keep going semi-confident in our calling and journey.
the moment we respond in a contradictory way all we do is prove the point of being nothing but deconstructionalist in our nature to a person in a modern mindset. our calling is about not wanting to create a future, a reality before we get there but that we are just more likely to travel and discover the outcome as we go. here I go again being dragged in and trying justifying all that we do.
WHY CAN'T WE BE OK WITH ME AND WHAT I AM ABOUT!!!!! Lets just get on with life and not be too worried about the argument as sometimes its just a distraction from the journey and just draws us into being modernist in our argument."
BS, Australia
" Mr. Miller doesn't really understand postmoderns, or even postmodernism though, does he? it sounds like his experience with postmodernism is philosophy books, not people, and his experience with postmodern ministry are people who are telling him to put candles on the stage and turn the lights down. Leaders who have time to engage
this discussion, are obviously not in the trenches of postmodernism. Most leaders who are actually engaging postmoderns can't afford candles, and even if they could, they don't have a stage to put them on anyway.
And I don't think their is anyone who would rather stop with the discussion more than us ppm's. Everyone I know is so sick of it we can hardly stand it. Instead we'd like some help. we'd like some bible teaching and leadership training without having to move to a seminary to get it, because most of can't afford seminary, and if we went we'd never pay it off since we won't be able to get church jobs anywhere once we graduate. we'll have to go back to Borders for 6
bucks an hour. We don't want to say ancient/future, or community anymore either. But what can you when people are constantly coming to you and asking why what and how you're doing what your doing, because it seems to be reaching people that we previously decided were unreachable, and then criticizing you for it later because it is
different from what they expected. The dude sounds like a frustrated boomer who is angry at us cause his seeker sensitive worship service isn't attracting 20 somethings.
here's a hint for him: A worship service, by nature will attract Christians. You can choose to attract Traditional, boomer, or GenX Christians based on what style of music you are doing. If those are the things you are trying to change to reach unchurched postmoderns, you will fail. Because an unchurched postmodern won't come to your
church."
N, from USA, whose father sent him the article.
"Hey TSK!
I thought Miller was way more gracious and constructive in his criticisms than Josh Dulaney was in his recent rant. Dulaney, however, receives more embrace because he is "one of us" and Miller upsets and irritates because he is "one of them". It's just more Christian bickering because, lacking anything better, that's what Christians do. "
The Lyle Family, North America
"Why do we get dragged into this kind of article/argument and even get dragged into the response to it, which is just as self serving. Why can't we just read it and keep going semi-confident in our calling and journey.
the moment we respond in a contradictory way all we do is prove the point of being nothing but deconstructionalist in our nature to a person in a modern mindset. our calling is about not wanting to create a future, a reality before we get there but that we are just more likely to travel and discover the outcome as we go. here I go again being dragged in and trying justifying all that we do.
WHY CAN'T WE BE OK WITH ME AND WHAT I AM ABOUT!!!!! Lets just get on with life and not be too worried about the argument as sometimes its just a distraction from the journey and just draws us into being modernist in our argument."
BS, Australia
" Mr. Miller doesn't really understand postmoderns, or even postmodernism though, does he? it sounds like his experience with postmodernism is philosophy books, not people, and his experience with postmodern ministry are people who are telling him to put candles on the stage and turn the lights down. Leaders who have time to engage
this discussion, are obviously not in the trenches of postmodernism. Most leaders who are actually engaging postmoderns can't afford candles, and even if they could, they don't have a stage to put them on anyway.
And I don't think their is anyone who would rather stop with the discussion more than us ppm's. Everyone I know is so sick of it we can hardly stand it. Instead we'd like some help. we'd like some bible teaching and leadership training without having to move to a seminary to get it, because most of can't afford seminary, and if we went we'd never pay it off since we won't be able to get church jobs anywhere once we graduate. we'll have to go back to Borders for 6
bucks an hour. We don't want to say ancient/future, or community anymore either. But what can you when people are constantly coming to you and asking why what and how you're doing what your doing, because it seems to be reaching people that we previously decided were unreachable, and then criticizing you for it later because it is
different from what they expected. The dude sounds like a frustrated boomer who is angry at us cause his seeker sensitive worship service isn't attracting 20 somethings.
here's a hint for him: A worship service, by nature will attract Christians. You can choose to attract Traditional, boomer, or GenX Christians based on what style of music you are doing. If those are the things you are trying to change to reach unchurched postmoderns, you will fail. Because an unchurched postmodern won't come to your
church."
N, from USA, whose father sent him the article.
